Romantic Advances in CL/E

[Snickie]

I was on the Cantr forums today, and somebody posted a link a friend had shared with her on some raunchy pickup lines in Galician. From that page I found a page detailing how Americans, Chileans, and Frenchmen number their different stages of romantic advancements.

http://www.tipsypilgrim.com/blog/sexual-conquest-is-codified-into-what-stages-in-france-chile.html

Warning: high T / M rated content including the F-word and very basic descriptions of sex (i.e. the male thingy goes into the female thingy, but replace thingies with the actual names)

This has made me reconsider the way the romances have been portrayed in Code Lyoko (hence why I posted it here). I don't really know how accurate the page is other than America, but I do think it might explain why we don't see any real kisses between the characters, and it's reaffirming my prediction that we will not get any kissing in CLE especially since Marin was not at age of consent at the time of the filming.

I do feel like there is a rather large amount of American influence on the show because 1) it's written in English (though that's not really anything to go off of since it could be American or British or Northern Kentucky or Australian or Western Kentucky or whatever) and 2) because of the few kisses we do get to see. I don't know much about French sexual lives beyond the stereotypes, but given that the show is targeted towards 6-12yo's, they probably don't want to imply that the characters are running around "getting it on", but since it's only "first base" in American culture it seems innocent enough here.

I dunno. What we need is to ask French people about this, but I don't know any French people.

Anyways. Your thoughts on this?

[aelitaxwilliam]

This is really interesting. I never realised that there would be different "bases" (slash degrees slash vitesses, you get what I mean!), but it would make a lot of sense. It wouldn't be good for the producers to imply that Aelita and Jeremie were then going to have sex, since in the show, they still are underage. Though maybe they aren't. I don't know the age of consent in France; it might actually be sixteen in which case they're really close to that age.

Ulrich and Yumi have come really close to kissing, but that makes more sense since they do have a more mature relationship than Aelita and Jeremie. Yumi's also older, and Aelita's a year younger, I think? It wouldn't be impossible to imagine Ulrich and Yumi having sex or going to third base, because, hey, it does happen.

It would be nice to have a French person here! If this gets posted (maybe without the link, and you could sum it up without those words if allowed to post this thread), we could link to your post on the Desert Tumblr and see what people think. There are a few French people on Tumblr. And seriously, this is a REALLY FASCINATING TOPIC.

Eeeee, thanks for bringing this up.

[Soul Jelly]

Seconding that this is really interesting! Just fyi, the age of consent in France is 15.
I guess here in the UK, we've taken on the American way of expressing these things, but we don't really use it all that much.

[Snickie]

Would this be okay to move to the regular forum under 'Relationships', then? That's where I was going to put it before, but I was being all paranoid mostly because of our younger members like Vena.

[Soul Jelly]

So long as you keep the clear warnings, I don't see why not.

[aelitaxwilliam]

Whoa, that's young. Though on the other hand, you could also look at the American age being pretty old. Which, I wouldn't say it was a bad thing if the age of consent were lowered to sixteen, but that's a discussion for another time, heh.

I'm excited to see what other members have to say on it.

[Snickie]

So long as you keep the clear warnings, I don't see why not.

-ahem- I can't move stuff in this part of the forum.

The almost!Willumi kiss in ep39 A Bad Turn definitely shows that Yumi doesn't want their relationship to be like that since she was very clearly uncomfortable about it. Plus, when she purposely left him standing in ep59 The Secret he wanted a kiss then. And probably more. It surprises me that he's not more of a womanizer, but then again he only crushes on Yumi while Odd crushes on anybody of the female persuasion. Even Sissi (prequel P1).

Speaking of which, what was running through Sissi's mind when she was sitting on her bed, in her dress, waiting for Ulrich to show up? What did she think they were going to do when he got there? Did she want to get hot and heavy? Also, I want to know is what went through all those kids' heads when Ulrich kissed Sissi in ep19 Frontier.

[aelitaxwilliam]

Hmm, that makes the William/Yumi kiss a lot creepier, now that we have this info. Like how far did he want to go? o.o With Odd though, do you remember if he kissed anyone? I'm too tired to remember much, though that would add a whole new dimension to him if he had. This info adds a whole new dimension to all the characters and their relationships, actually.

And same! Now I'm thinking back to all the almost-kisses and everything, AND WHOA.

Btw, what do you think of posting this on Tumblr on the Desert Sector's blog? It's such an interesting topic, and there are some French people on there, and it'd be interesting to see their opinion. The fandom there is a bit older, too, I think.

[Snickie]

I'll put it up there, since I haven't contributed nearly as much to it as you guys have.

I remember Odd kissed Sam in ep23 "Rock Bottom".

By the way, Kelly; what do you think of all those kisses in ep43 "XANA's Kiss"? The clone!YumixMatthias kiss, the clone!JeremiexHeidi kiss, the clone!UlrichxSissi kiss, the clone!AelitaxNicolas kiss, and the clone!YolandexJim kiss? And then the clone!JeremiexAelita kiss?

[aelitaxwilliam]

That makes it all the more interesting...I mean, I know that Odd doesn't have a great track record and all, but it'd make me feel squicky if he were kissing every girl left and right at his age with the context of your info in mind.

And yay! I really do want to see what people on there think because even though I think the format of a forum is more receptive to this kind of discussion, I think the Tumblr community as a whole is more receptive to this kind of discussion. And again, the community on there is slightly more slanted towards older viewers, which I really like (not that I don't love XL and our community, but sometimes I wish we had one big site for all the CL viewers, like the original forum, so that the sharing of ideas could be more fluid).

AND THAT'S SO WEIRD. On the other hand, it's still earlier on in the show, so maybe XANA doesn't have that good a grasp on the social dynamics of humans yet and doesn't realise the magnitude of his actions, though I'm sure he'd be happy at the havoc he wreaked (Kay/alemonlemoned brought up an interesting point in her Yumi analysis, and it relates well to this discussion--somewhere along the way, XANA learns to manipulate the social dynamics of the group, and it ups the stakes for them considerably). It must've been very, very awkward for the group though.

[Snickie]

I saw this linked on LF today and after reading through it decided to share it here. It's about rape culture and how it's portrayed in Code Lyoko through Yumi and William's relationship. It's pretty well-written and it does clarify a lot of things here, and worth the read imo.

http://alemonlemoned.tumblr.com/post/45303226217/boundaries-rape-culture-and-code-lyoko

[Dark Raku]

It reminds me amusedly of Laura's introduction episode...connotations of what she was saying in French directly says to Jeremie that she is open and wants to have sex.

As far as I am aware there is absolutely nothing wrong with children kissing from what I know and have seen. Sure it is basically saying 'they are going to have sex' but I can't ever remember the French being too worried about that. It is just marking territory saying, 'we are going to do it, back off, they are mine.'

Which brings up Evolution Jeremie and the fact that he is basically two-timing.

Code Lyoko is and foremost French, if it was wrong to kiss at the ages the characters were even in the cartoon, they more than likely would not have done it just because the culture frowns upon it.

Speaking of tumblr, how do you navigate that? It has not made sense to me since its last update changed the layout and presenting of Posts.

And William and Yumi was always about rape and the fact the relationship was bad. That was the point. I wouldn't really say that it puts a new level on the creepiness because I think it was always there. It does not seem like a thing they would put in without knowing. You do not just make those kind of choices.

[Stella Luce 333]

It might not mean as much as we’re now thinking it is…I remember being in middle school & hearing that people were “dating” even if they never actually went on any dates during their relationship. It might mean something different to them now then it will when they’re older…

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